| High Temperatures, Persistent Heat & ‘Molten Steel’ at WTC Site Contradict Official Story |
| Tuesday, 24 August 2010 15:31 | |
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Extremely high temperatures were evident before and during the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and at Ground Zero. Seven minutes before the destruction of the South Tower, a flow of molten metal appeared, accompanied by several smaller flows, as documented by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). The material’s glowing color showed that its temperature was close to “white hot” at the very beginning of the flow and “yellow-orange” further down. Iron-rich spheres in the WTC dust are additional proof of temperatures above the melting point of iron. Pyroclastic-like, rapidly expanding dust clouds after the destruction of the Towers can also be explained only by the expansion of hot gases.
The high-temperature phenomena at Ground Zero are documented by various sources: Bechtel engineers, responsible for safety at Ground Zero, wrote in theJournal of the American Society of Safety Engineers: “The debris pile at Ground Zero was always tremendously hot. Thermal measurements taken by helicopter each day showed underground temperatures ranging from 400ºF to more than 2,800ºF.” The fact that high-temperature phenomena were an important issue at Ground Zero is underscored by the large number of thermal images acquired: images by SPOT, MTI,AVIRIS/NASA, “Twin Otter”/U.S. Army, and at least 25 images by EarthData, taken between Sept. 16 and Oct. 25. In addition, temperature measurements by helicopter weretaken each day, and the firefighters used onsite sensors too. Many witnesses, including rescue personnel and firefighters working on the piles, described the phenomenon of “molten steel.” Terms used in witness statements are, for example, “molten steel,” beams “dripping from molten steel,” “molten steel … like you’re in a foundry. Like lava, from a volcano.” A photograph taken on September 27 by a Ground Zero worker shows an excavating machine lifting debris from the WTC wreckage dripping yellow/orange molten metal. WTC clean-up workers and 9/11 artifacts architect Bart Voorsanger, in the PBS video “Relics from the Rubble,” described what must have been several tons of “fused element[s] of steel … molten steel and concrete and all of these things …all fused by the heat,” weighing several tons each. These foreign objects came to be known as “meteorites.”
The heat at Ground Zero was not only extreme, it was also persistent, as proven not only by witness statements and a photograph by LiRo Group / Engineering of orange-red glowing steel as late as October 21, but also by thermal images taken by NASA andEarthData satellites. The EarthData thermal images also show that the “hot spots” remained at the same locations. The phenomenon did not “move” across the site, like one would expect from fire as it consumes the fuel available in any one location. University of California professor Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, the first structural engineer given access to the WTC steel at Fresh Kills Landfill notes, “I saw melting of girders at the World Trade Center.” Astaneh also “describes the connections [between supporting columns] as being smoothly warped: ‘If you remember the Salvador Dalí paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted – it’s kind of like that. That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot – perhaps around 2,000 degrees.’”. Iron workers at the site pointed out that huge columns that were bent into horseshoe shapes – without the flanges showing any cracks or buckling. They cited, “It takes thousands of degrees to bend steel like this”. FEMA documents in their Appendix C of its May 2002 WTC Building Performance Assessment Team study, for sample 1, “evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting.” A “sulfur-rich liquid” containing “primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur” “penetrated” into the steel. The extremely high temperatures contradict the official story. Office and hydrocarbon fires burning in open air (~500° to 1,500° F) cannot reach temperatures in the range that iron or structural steel melts (2,700° F). This was even acknowledged by NIST’s Co-Project Leader, John Gross, in the same public talk where he stated regarding the phenomena of molten steel, “I know of absolutely nobody, no eyewitnesses that said so, nobody that’s produced it.” Yet there is abundant proof of the molten metal, whichsubsequent tests reveal to be iron, in the debris piles. Furthermore, NIST itself performedextensive fire tests to establish the temperatures reached by the WTC office and jet fuel fires. The temperatures established are far below the temperatures required to produce all of the above phenomena – which occurred both before and during the destruction and at Ground Zero. […] |
An excavating machine at Ground Zero lifts debris dripping with molten metal
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Albury Smith
“Sooty, black burning JET FUEL (kerosene) DOES NOT MELT STEEL!!!” and NIST never claimed that any steel melted to cause a WTC hi-rise collapse, so kudos for the great straw man. Steel may have melted in the debris fires, but explosives and incendiaries produce heat for minutes, not 3+ months, and the molten METAL was most likely aluminum or lead. This weakens lightweight steel framing very rapidly though:
http://www.debunking911.com/Fire.jpg
You really should ask Richard Gage* and his “experts” to demonstrate for you on video with audio how explosives or incendiaries secretly cut the 4.91″ flanges, 3.07″ webs, and 215 sq in cross sections of W14 X 730 columns like the 11 of 24 in WTC 7’s core, and the 4 corner columns in each tower’s core:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2o8k4n9CY
If they ever HAD TO do it, this “debate” would be OVER.
*Gage’s ONLY 9/11 “research”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFVoencqfZw
Jeff Fenske
The fires had to be °4000 or hotter to melt silica and do what some of my links above prove. There is no doubt.
Molten aluminum would be silver color.
A&E9/11Truth doesn’t have to prove how it happened to destroy the official story that those planes took down the three towers. Richard Gage has said that over and over. They have destroyed the official, intentional lie. There is no doubt at all that the official story is a lie, and the NIST report was a cover-up. They were even going to have Henry Kissinger head it, but that would have been too obvious.
albury
You should explain all of this to the SEAoNY, FEMA BPAT, PANYNJ, NSF, and other structural engineers who inspected the steel at GZ for nearly 8 months. The plaintiffs in this case aren’t up to speed either:
http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020131204097
and the FDNY testimony quoted there is all lies too.
Your links above prove that you’re not an SE, and drink way too much 9/11 “truth movement” Kool-Aid.
Jeff Fenske
You’re avoiding the key factor for which there is no way around. The jet fuel burned up in the first few minutes, which is basically kerosene that doesn’t burn very hot. So then the fire in the towers became a typical office fire, which burns at about 1200°. But it had to be at least 4,000° to do what it did.
So you expect us to simply trust the government agencies? You might as well throw in NSA too, who can blackmail just about anyone, including those in the agencies you list.
The fact is that lying is rampant in government, from the Presidents on down, and it just gets worse and worse. Few people stay in power who actually have integrity.
And the PTB needed a “new Pearl Harbor” to get the people to support their reverse-Christian wars, the unpatriotic Patriot Act, etc., so now America is on its last leg, a tower about to collapse.
I wonder what your agenda is, and why you are so intent on spinning this.
albury
Kissinger was considered for the 9/11 Commission, not the NIST WTC investigation team, and is about as well qualified for forensic structural engineering investigations as you are.
These people are extremely well qualified, regardless of your libelous and ridiculous comments:
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/team_members.cfm
albury
You’re doing all of the spinning. As NCSTAR 1 explains, the kerosene was only a catalyst, but it started fires that were anything but typical. Office fires usually start in one location and spread, but the tower fires were instantly ignited over 10s of 1000s of square feet of area with combustibles that were concentrated on the sides opposite the impact holes, so the fuel load was more than double what typical office fires feed on. The steel framing was also atypical; few hi-rises are built with lightweight bar joists spanning 60+ feet, and square tubular columns with 1/4″ walls. Risers to sprinklers and fire hoses usually aren’t severed by ~140-ton airliners either.
There’s no mention of WANTING or NEEDING a “new Pearl Harbor” in the PNAC paper you’re lying about, and the al Qaeda suicide attacks of 9/11 drew hundreds of billions of dollars away from the advanced weaponry that the PNAC neocons wanted for a possible conventional war with another superpower. They didn’t mention armoring Humvees to survive IED explosions, or fighting asymmetrical wars in third world hellholes.
Be sure to send Box Boy a huge donation for all of that “research” he’s doing. He loves spending other people’s money.
Jeff Fenske
Albury Smith,
Regarding the “New Pearl Harbor”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#.22New_Pearl_Harbor.22
At least you’re admitting that the jet fuel was only a catalyst, but then you continue to spin away from the fact that paper, carbon based office fires can reach 4,000°, when they probably didn’t even reach 1,500°. The sooty black color also testifies that it couldn’t have been very hot.
The globalists, of which PNAC is a part of absolutely got what they wanted, and probably made money through the short selling too. They had the Patriot Act written and ready to go. The wars were already planned, which they even got the evangelical ‘Christians’ to in many cases loudly support. They successfully pulled America’s heartstrings, while people like you helped to keep them in the dark. We’re living in their police state now — America on the edge of collapse. Nick Rockefeller predicted….
Regarding your agenda, this guy seems to be onto something regarding you, Albury Smith, from http://promoteliberty.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/911-truth-walmart-intercom:
Anonymous April 3, 2012 at 7:47 PM · · Reply →
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2011/09/13/911-truth-critics-do-they-have-a-case/
as evidenced by his inordinate amount of official spin regurgitation, ( a quick google for albury smith 911 will show a history of his commenting on every blog concerning 911, posting the same lies, distortions and obfuscations ad nauseam, 24/7 ) this shows that he is either paid to do this …, as pointed out by most everyone who has the misfortune to have ever crossed paths with the …, and is as obvious as is the explosive destruction of the 3 towers that day.
the only people who would argue against a transparent, unfettered independent investigation into the events of 911 are those with a vested interest in supressing the truth.
there is irefutable evidence that the events of 911 did not happen as we are being told,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iND-b8Q3jc
but despite that, and despite not being asked, albury will continue to offer his unqualified, anonymous opinion, as if he is some sort of final arbiter of truth, in relation to ANYTHING to do with 911. a self proclaimed expert..
its so pathetic, if it wasnt for the fact that on the backs of the lies of that fateful day, hundreds of thousands of innocent men women and children have been killed, civil and constitutional rights have been shredded, and the world has been subjected to a never ending war of terror, it would be funny.
This video puts to rest ALL of alburys arguments and shows exactly why 911 needs a proper investigation.
Professor Daniele Ganser (Switzerland) – 10 Years After 9/11 The Official Account Does Not Add Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY
albury
Ganser’s a serial liar and a hate-monger, not an SE, and his lectures to college kids are an embarrassment. The University of Basel’s ~85km from Zurich, so why doesn’t he go there and ask Swiss Re and Zurich Financial about the hundreds of millions they paid Larry Silverstein for insurance fraud? If your 9/11 “truth movement” wants an “unfettered independent investigation into the events of 911,” then please feel free to CONDUCT ONE. Office fires typically reach ~1100 reach 1,500° upper air temps and ~1800° max, and that’s roughly a hot as the WTC fires ever got. The melting of steel isn’t part of any NIST collapse hypothesis, and there was no evidence at all in the debris indicating that any secret C/Ds had occurred. Explosives and incendiaries don’t burn for 3+ months, so the molten METAL at GZ long after 9/11 was undoubtedly aluminum or lead, both of which were abundant in all 3 collapsed WTC hi-rises.
You can spin the PNAC paper until you’re dizzy and it still doesn’t say what you claim it does. Your imaginary perps didn’t WANT or NEED a “new Pearl Harbor,” wouldn’t have been stupid enough to announce one in advance, and got none of the high-tech weaponry they really did want. 9/11 was anOTHER AQ SUICIDE attack on the US, whether you’re bright enough to realize it or not.
Jeff Fenske
You just called a 9/11 truther a “serial liar and a hate-monger.” Those kind of blanket statements without specifics are not welcome on my site, and show that something is wrong with you and your agenda here.
You’re still in complete denial of how these temps needed to be 4,000°, based upon the irrefutable evidence I present in my video links, and that even silica was melted.
Your own temp analysis shows the office fires were in no way hot enough.
The globalists often say beforehand what they’re going to do, which they did here in other ways also, even on TV. At the top, they’re satanists. They think the people are idiots, and in some ways they’re right because most of the people just go along with whatever they’re told through the mainstream media. They’re just playing with the people, using people like you to go onto other people’s sites to help coverup their lies and keep them in the dark.
albury
Copied your degree sign for 1500 degrees and pasted by mistake. Should’ve read: “Office fires typically reach ~1100° upper air temps and ~1800° max…”
Jeff Fenske
Still more, irrefutable proof of molten steel:
9/11 MOLTEN Iron Spheres: More irrefutable proof of cover-up! — Jet fuel or office building fires reach only 1,800°F tops…
The microspheres must have been formed at extremely high temperatures during the World Trade Center’s destruction – temperatures exceeding the melting point of iron (~2,700° F). The spheres must have been molten when they were created in order to take their spherical shape. Such high temperatures could not have been produced by jet fuel or office building fires, which reach only up to 1,800 °F under the most severe fire conditions. However, the thermite reaction produces molten iron and aluminum oxide as the reaction products.
albury
What temperatures are reached in heliarc welding, and how was the chronology of your “proof” established? Would you mind posting some photos of WTC steel framing cut by these “extremely high temperatures” on 9/11?
TIA