PHIL TOURNEY “Is it the Epstein files that they got on Trump? Is it that, or the rest of the creeps that they have on the Epstein files that they’ve been blackmailing them over these years? Is that part of it?”
CHUCK BALDWIN “Oh, without a doubt. I think that’s a major part of it. This has been going on for over 30 years now. And of course, we didn’t know about it. But Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, and the Mossad—they have all of the evidence that is incriminating not just to Donald Trump, but also to a host of billionaires, high-level government executives, and business executives; people that we now refer to as the ‘Epstein class.’ They have the videos, they have the photographs, they have the times, dates, and places. You know, they have everything, and Trump knows it.
So, he is absolutely being blackmailed by Netanyahu. There is no question in my mind that the Epstein files are a major part of every decision that he makes—not just this war in Iran now, but every decision, including the people that he puts in his cabinet. I mean, when you look at everybody that’s in his cabinet, everybody that’s in high-level executive positions in his administration to a man, they are Zionists.
I mean, even Tulsi Gabbard, who has been a major disappointment since she was appointed by Trump and has chosen to go along with all this criminality—even Tulsi Gabbard is a Zionist. He doesn’t have anyone in his circle of influence, in business or government, that is not an ardent Zionist. That cannot be an accident or a coincidence. It cannot be. I mean, when you stop and think about all the really talented, smart, viable people that are out there that would do tremendous jobs in the various levels of government—people with great expertise, great experience, and great training—these people are overlooked. And these radical Zionists are put in these positions of authority in our government.
That’s because, again, Trump is being blackmailed by Benjamin Netanyahu. So this thing with Iran is just the latest and the most egregious act of criminality by Donald Trump on behalf of Israel. But Trump is owned by Israel; he cannot make an independent decision of any kind. You know, Trump even said a couple of days ago that whenever the war in Iran ends, it won’t end until Netanyahu agrees. So he’s saying that Israel is going to determine when the war ends, not Donald Trump and not the United States of America.
So like you said, even his most recent statements are telling the world that he is beholden to the state of Israel. That’s, in my view, not only bad, it’s treasonous, because we have men in government—the leaders of our government—admitting that they are subservient to a foreign military or foreign government. That’s treasonous by any definition. It’s treasonous.
But in my opinion, this could not happen without the support of evangelical Christians in this country. I know that AIPAC has unlimited amounts of money to buy off these politicians in Congress, and they do it—with the exception of Thomas Massie and maybe one or two others. The entire Congress, Democrats and Republicans, are bought off by the state of Israel through AIPAC. And AIPAC is just the most prominent lobby group; they’re not the only one. There are dozens of them.
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CHUCK BALDWIN: “And it is the Christian people who talk about the love of Jesus, who talk about the Golden Rule, who talk about being the peacemakers, and who talk about he’s the Prince of Peace. You know, they talk about how we’re supposed to love our fellow man and we’re supposed to love God. They preach all of this and then they turn around and support—without a second thought—the most horrific, horrible, unconscionable, bloodthirsty, murderous acts known to man. And they don’t care. And not only do they not care, Phil, they’re proud of it. They support it.
Why? Because these are ‘God’s chosen people’ according to C.I. Scofield. And so, this Christian Zionist, premillennial dispensationalist theology has completely warped the hearts and the minds of professing Christian people today that they can no longer tell right from wrong or good from evil. This is the result of the doctrines of Christian Zionism.
So what I’m trying to say to you, Phil, is as influential as the Israeli lobby is, and as much influence that they have, and as bad as the blackmail coming from Benjamin Netanyahu is—all of that by itself is horrible. But when you add the spiritual component that undergirds it all and provides moral cover for all of it, then you begin to see the real horror of it. That it’s coming from within the United States. It’s coming from within the churches that are supposed to be the guardian of righteousness in society. We’re supposed to be the conscience of the nation, and we’ve lost our conscience. So that’s the bothersome part more than anything else to me.”
Pastor Chuck Baldwin
Apr 9, 2026
Most Americans are asleep to the dangerous grip that Israel holds over U.S. politics—and how Christian Zionism fuels endless war in the Middle East. Pastor Chuck Baldwin pulls back the curtain on how Israel’s influence, combined with spiritual deception rooted in Christian Zionist theology, has turned U.S. foreign policy into a tool for global conflict. Discover how this powerful lobby and theological distortions have warped the hearts of Christians, leading to support for actions that cause unspeakable human suffering.
You’ll learn about the critical role that Christian Zionism, especially rooted in doctrines like dispensational futurism, has played in undermining biblical truth and moral clarity. Pastor Baldwin shares eye-opening insights on how evangelical support, fueled by biblical misinterpretation and political influence, enables the US to be complicit in atrocities from Gaza to Iran. We break down the spiritual and political machinery behind U.S. wars, revealing how biblical deception and geopolitical ambitions are intertwined for one purpose: the domination of biblical Israel—counterfeit and satanic in origin.
This episode is a wake-up call for Christians, patriots, and anyone concerned about the moral decline and dangerous war machinery shaping our world. You’ll understand why exposing this spiritual blindness is essential for our national salvation—and how the church can reclaim its moral authority. With compelling personal stories—including Pastor Baldwin’s miraculous health crises—and hard truths about the corrupting influence of foreign powers, this episode delivers a prophetic warning and a hopeful call to action.
If you believe America’s future depends on truth, faith, and resisting satanic manipulation, this episode is essential listening. It unpacks the dangerous spiritual and political forces at play and offers a path back to biblical righteousness. Don’t miss this eye-opening conversation that challenges the status quo and empowers you to see through the deception.
Pastor Chuck Baldwin is a seasoned Christian pastor and outspoken truth-teller known for his fearless stance against Christian Zionism, U.S. military aggression, and government corruption. His journey from traditional dispensationalist to biblical truth reveals a powerful transformation rooted in prayer, study, and divine revelation—making his insights a beacon for anyone seeking the real story behind America and Israel’s alliance.
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This episode begins with a provocative, curiosity-sparking hook that immediately captures attention. It promises explosive insights into Israel’s control over America and exposes the spiritual roots of global conflict—compelling reasons for listeners to keep listening. The content dives into specific political and spiritual tactics, revealing how biblical deception fuels war, which appeals to patriots, Christians, and truth-seekers alike. The emotional tone, combined with personal testimonies and urgent warnings, propels the listener toward action and reveals the stakes involved—making it a must-listen for anyone concerned about morality, politics, and faith in today’s world.