War is hell, as the saying goes. Murder, on the other hand, is a crime. In this age of the “long war” pitting the United States against the forces of global terror, it is critical that the American people be able to distinguish between the two.

[…]

The “war on terror” has shredded the concept of the rule of law, at least as applied by the United States within the context of this struggle. While Obama has made moves to fix some of the symptoms of the flawed policies of his predecessor, the underlying foundation of American arrogance and exceptionalism [reverse-Christianity, not loving our neighbor as ourself – editor] from which such policies emerged remains unchanged. There is no more telling example of this than the current program of targeted assassination taking place under the guise of armed unmanned aerial drones (also known as remotely piloted vehicles, or RPVs) operating in the Af-Pak theater of operations.

All pretense of either Afghan or Pakistani sovereignty disappears when these drones take to the air. Ostensibly used for intelligence gathering and lethal direct-action operations against so-called high-value targets (i.e., senior al-Qaida or Taliban leadership), RPV missions have become increasingly popular within the U.S. military and intelligence communities as a risk-free means of bringing maximum harm, in highly discriminatory fashion, to the enemy. Expansion of the United States’ RPV effort in Af-Pak has become a central part of the surge ordered by Obama, complementing the 30,000 combat troops he has ordered deployed to the region. But exactly who is targeted by these RPV operations? While the U.S. military and intelligence community maintains that every effort is made to positively identify a target as hostile before the decision to fire a missile or drop a bomb is made, the criteria for making this call are often left in the hands of personnel ill-equipped to make it.

In the ideal world, one would see the fusion of real-time imagery, real-time communications intercept and human sources on the ground before making such a call. But in reality this “perfect storm” of intelligence intersection rarely occurs. In its stead, one is left with fragmentary pieces of data that are cobbled together by personnel far removed from the point of actual conflict whose motivations are geared more toward action than discretion. Often, the most critical piece of intelligence comes from a human source who is using the U.S. military as a means of settling a local score more than furthering the struggle against terror. The end result is dead people on the ground whose demise has little, if any, impact on the “war on terror,” other than motivating even more people to rise up and struggle against the American occupiers and their Afghan or Pakistani cohorts.

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Ron Paul annoyed that Obama accepted the PEACE prize while claiming the Christian just-war theory

By Jeff Fenske

On December 12, 2009

In Barack Obama, Ethics, Ron Paul, War

“One part of that speech that really annoyed me was that he described it as being a just war, harping back to the Christian just-war theory. And for him to try to claim that he’s following just-war theory which was originally Christian oriented is so far removed from reality.

And of course, he claims that one of his heroes is Gandhi, who really believed in peace. So it is so hypocritical.”

— Ron Paul
(transcribed by Jeff Fenske from The Alex Jones Show, 12/11/09)

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHcs3ebCLAU]Ron Paul on Alex Jones Tv: The Federal Reserve Day’s are Numbered!!

Alex welcomes back Ron Paul, Republican Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas, former presidential candidate, founder of the advocacy group Campaign for Liberty, sponsor of the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009, and author of the best-selling book The Revolution and End the Fed.

President Obama appeals to just-WAR doctrine while accepting PEACE Prize (Full text of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech)

By Jeff Fenske

On December 12, 2009

In Barack Obama, Ethics, Self-Defense, War

“The concept of a “just war” emerged, suggesting that war is justified only when certain conditions were met: if it is waged as a last resort or in self-defense; if the force used is proportional; and if, whenever possible, civilians are spared from violence.”

“In today’s wars, many more civilians are killed than soldiers; the seeds of future conflict are sown, economies are wrecked, civil societies torn asunder, refugees amassed, children scarred.”

— President Barack Obama

From: The White House

Note: I highlighted some of the key points, as well as some points that aren’t true at all — if one knows the true history of wars.

Remarks by the President at the Acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize

Oslo City Hall
Oslo, Norway

1:44 P.M. CET

THE PRESIDENT: Your Majesties, Your Royal Highnesses, distinguished members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, citizens of America, and citizens of the world:

I receive this honor with deep gratitude and great humility. It is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations — that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice.

And yet I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the considerable controversy that your generous decision has generated. (Laughter.) In part, this is because I am at the beginning, and not the end, of my labors on the world stage. Compared to some of the giants of history who’ve received this prize — Schweitzer and King; Marshall and Mandela — my accomplishments are slight. And then there are the men and women around the world who have been jailed and beaten in the pursuit of justice; those who toil in humanitarian organizations to relieve suffering; the unrecognized millions whose quiet acts of courage and compassion inspire even the most hardened cynics. I cannot argue with those who find these men and women — some known, some obscure to all but those they help — to be far more deserving of this honor than I.

But perhaps the most profound issue surrounding my receipt of this prize is the fact that I am the Commander-in-Chief of the military of a nation in the midst of two wars. One of these wars is winding down. The other is a conflict that America did not seek; one in which we are joined by 42 other countries — including Norway — in an effort to defend ourselves and all nations from further attacks.

Still, we are at war, and I’m responsible for the deployment of thousands of young Americans to battle in a distant land. Some will kill, and some will be killed.

Chuck Baldwin: THE BUSH-OBAMA WAR. “Perpetual war is a tool of globalists to enslave us!”

By Jeff Fenske

On December 8, 2009

In America's Getting Jacked!, Barack Obama, Chuck Baldwin, CIA Drug Running/Assassinations, Ethics, George Bush Family, Lying, Real History, War

From: News with Views

THE BUSH-OBAMA WAR

By Chuck Baldwin
December 8, 2009
NewsWithViews.com

Now it’s Barack Obama’s war. After campaigning against “George Bush’s War” in the Middle East, Obama has escalated that war. By transferring thousands of America’s forces from Iraq to Afghanistan, and by sending an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, the liberal Democrat has demonstrated that his administration is not so different from that of his “conservative” Republican predecessor.

While I was crisscrossing America during the campaign season last year, I repeatedly predicted that no matter who won the White House, John McCain or Barack Obama, neither would end the war in the Middle East. Many Democrats tried to argue with me, saying they knew Obama would end the war. Now they know I told the truth.

During his speech at West Point in which he announced the war’s escalation, he said, “[T]he Taliban [is] a ruthless, repressive and radical movement.” What he (or John McCain or George W. Bush) never bothers to tell you is that this is the same Taliban that the US government SUPPORTED, back when it was fighting Soviet forces in Afghanistan.

Obama also said, “We are bringing the Iraq war to a responsible end.” That is a lie! US forces will stay in Iraq indefinitely. Obama has no more intention of bringing all US troops out of Iraq than he does bringing them home from Afghanistan. Beyond that, there are more private contractors (read “mercenaries”) operating in Iraq than US troops. And this will likely be the case in Afghanistan, as well.

But not only did Obama escalate the war in Afghanistan, he made it clear that he is prepared to extend the war into Pakistan. Obama’s speech was laced with references to Pakistan. Examples:

“Our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

“Our overarching goal remains the same: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan.” (Note: the latest reports state that there are no more than 100 al-Qaeda forces in Afghanistan.)

“We need a strategy that works on both sides of the [Afghanistan-Pakistan] border.”

Obama even intimated that he was prepared to extend the war well beyond Pakistan. He told the West Point cadets, “The struggle against violent extremism will not be finished quickly, and it extends WELL BEYOND Afghanistan and Pakistan.” (Emphasis added.)

Just how far beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan Obama intends to extend the war he did not say, but there is no question he is fully prepared to broaden the war even further.

Obama even had the unmitigated gall to criticize the Afghan government for being “hampered by corruption, the drug trade.” Need I remind readers that for all its faults, when the Taliban controlled Afghanistan, there was virtually NO DRUG TRADE coming out of Afghanistan? For all intents and purposes, the Taliban destroyed the drug business in Afghanistan. Opium and drug production only returned to Afghanistan after US forces displaced the Taliban. In fact, drug production in Afghanistan takes place right under the noses (no pun intended) and with the passive compliance of US forces.

But there is an even more evil and sinister motive for perpetual war than drug smuggling: perpetual war is a tool of globalists to enslave us!

Under the rubric of the “war on terror,” Big Government elitists are able to dismantle the constitutional safeguards of our freedom. Without 9/11 and the “war on terror” there would be no Patriot Act, for example.

Remember, the Patriot Act was first proposed during the Clinton administration, but a recalcitrant Republican Congress refused to approve it. But with a Republican in the White House (G.W. Bush), those same Republicans easily passed the Patriot Act into law. And to show you how this partisanship stuff works, those same Democrats who tried to pass the Patriot Act in the 90s (called by a different name, of course), voted AGAINST the Patriot Act when proposed by Republicans in the early 2000s. And since we’re on the Patriot Act, don’t hold your breath waiting for a Democratic Congress or the Democrat Barack Obama to expunge it.

Now think it through: first, the Democrats tried to pass the Patriot Act (under a different name) and Republicans opposed it. Next, Republicans (who once opposed it) passed the Patriot Act and Democrats (who once proposed it) opposed it. Now, both Democrats and Republicans (who have both opposed and proposed it) accept and embrace the Patriot Act. And with all that political posturing and grandstanding aside, the Patriot Act is only law today because WE ARE AT WAR.

Without war, we would not have the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)–which cannot even keep uninvited people out of the White House–the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), and thousands of laws and regulations that trample constitutionally protected liberties.

In the name of “War,” our government can record our phone calls, read our emails, monitor our financial transactions and movements, and even place an Army combat division (USNORTHCOM) on American soil to WATCH–OR EVEN FIGHT AGAINST–US! And some of you don’t even give it a second thought. Why? WE ARE AT WAR!

I know! I know! Obama promises to “begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011.” Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that we are going to spend trillions of dollars on the war effort, send more than 50,000 troops plus thousands of independent contractors, and ship millions of tons of equipment half way around the world, and then turn around and bring them all back home IN EIGHTEEN MONTHS? I might have been born in the morning, but it was not yesterday morning!

Of course, that brings up another purpose globalists have in keeping us at war: the financial cost of waging war keeps the country in debt and keeps the Fed’s printing presses running.

Come on, folks, face it: there are many people who get “filthy, stinking” rich during times of war. If you have not read USMC Brigadier General Smedley Butler’s book, “War is a Racket,” you need to get it.

After winning the Marine Corps Brevet Medal, the Army Distinguished Service Medal, the Navy Distinguished Service Medal, the French Order of the Black Star and TWO Congressional Medals of Honor, Butler said (as quoted in Common Sense magazine), “I spent 33 years and four months in active service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927, I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

Entire Article Here

Ron Paul asks Hillary Clinton if she supports Bush Doctrine

By Jeff Fenske

On December 5, 2009

In Ethics, Hillary/Bill Clinton, Ron Paul, War

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOcHyrPa5g0]Ron Paul asks Hillary Clinton if she supports Bush Doctrine 12/02/2009

Ron Paul gets a chance to ask Hillary Clinton, Gates, and Mullen if they support the Bush doctrine of “preventive war”. He gets the answer you would expect.

This is from a joint hearing on Afghanistan following Obama’s speech/announcement last night 12/01/2009.

Michael Moore on Larry King Live: Obama and Afghanistan — Another Vietnam

By Jeff Fenske

On December 5, 2009

In America's Getting Jacked!, CIA Drug Running/Assassinations, Ethics, War

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX8F6ygcVuQ]Michael Moore on Larry King Live Tears Up Over Obama and Afghanistan

Brother Gregory Williams: Do Christians Have a Right to Self Defense, Part 1

By Jeff Fenske

On November 26, 2009

In Ethics, Self-Defense, War

There has been a lot of talk about government usurpation, declarations of independence, sovereign states, rights of citizens, and even references to revolution and armed rebellion in America, but such talk is not only foolish, but unwarranted. You have the government you deserve.

From: News with Views

Does a modern Christian have a right to self defense? With every right there is a correlative responsibility. The ancient right to bear arms has been described in antiquity as the obligation to bear arms in defense of your community. In those ancient times if you would not arm yourself to defend your community you were often shunned if not run out of town all together.

Chuck Baldwin in and article published by NewsWithViews.com quoted the statistic that “as of 2004, 50% of the adults in the United States own one or more firearms.” My first reaction was, why so few? As someone who once wore a badge and a gun to protect the property and lives of citizens I can testify that my biggest disappointment was the apathy and even cowardice of the people I was often expected to protect.

To refuse to come to the aid of others has been considered a crime and good Samaritan laws have prosecuted citizens who failed to assist and aid people in need of assistance or protection.

Yet, I have heard many people say they would not own a gun or they did not believe in guns. On further inquiry everyone of these purveyors of pseudo-pacifism confirmed that if someone was breaking into their house they would call the police, who will come with guns. The truth is they do believe in guns, but they are either to lazy, to cheap, to cowardly, or just to irresponsible to own one.

One of the last things Christ said to His apostles before His crucifixion was to go and buy a sword, even if they had to sell their garment to do so.[1] When armed men came “with swords and staves for to take” Jesus, one of His disciples, realizing what was coming, asked if they should “smite [them] with the sword.”[2]

Jesus chose not to fight that day. He told Peter to “put up thy sword into the sheath”.[3] Jesus did not tell Peter to throw his sword away. He simply had a better strategy to free the people from the exercising authority of the corrupt government set up by the people who were “making the word of God to none effect.”

The apostles were armed men, but they were also men of peace. They were “gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.”[4] They supported the weak, patient toward all men,[5] with “love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, [of] faith,”[6] but they were armed.

Jesus never came to disarm or weaken the people. That would only tempt brutes of the “world”. Had Peter, the apostles and their thousands of supporters began armed conflict to establish their liberty under God there would have been disastrous and fruitless bloodshed. The people needed to learn first hand the courage and sacrifice needed to sustain a truly free society.

There has been a lot of talk about government usurpation, declarations of independence, sovereign states, rights of citizens, and even references to revolution and armed rebellion in America, but such talk is not only foolish, but unwarranted. You have the government you deserve.

The diminishing rights of people are the direct result of personal neglect, abdication or the waiving of rights in exchange for peace, security, and bountiful benefits. The decline of liberty is always due the failure to retain rights. The failure to retain rights is always linked to the failure to put your hand to the responsibilities of the individual to society. The secrets of a free society belong to the diligent, humble, and wise.

There were no greater revolutionists than John the Baptist, Christ, and His apostles. Their call to repentance, was a call for change. The way of John and Jesus was also truly one of hope. It changed the course of history by changing the ways of the people. If the people were to be ruled by God they had to pursue the righteousness of God.

With this renewed spirit of liberty early Christians tended to what Jesus called the “weightier matters of law, justice, mercy and faith” by loving one another in a international network of faith, hope, and charity under the perfect law of liberty. They did not create a socialist state which exercised authority one over the other. That was forbidden by Christ and Moses before Him.

Entire Article Here

“Pro-Choice” Icon Renounced Abortion & Lesbianism

By Jeff Fenske

On November 21, 2009

In Ethics, Health

From: HenryMakow

“Pro-Choice” Icon Renounced Abortion & Lesbianism

November 20, 2009

By Richard Evans

The teenager whose claimed rape and subsequent lawsuit legalized abortion in the U.S. in 1973 has dramatically transformed with maturity. Ignored by the corporate media, she’s now campaigning against abortion and hounding Obama and his minions

In the famous, Roe Vs. Wade case, the plaintiff ‘Jane Roe’ was given a pseudonym to conceal her real name, Norma McCorvey.

Today, McCorvey, (who gave birth to the baby in question before her case reached the Supreme Court) opposes abortion. She heads her own pro-life ministry called Roe No More.

Turns out McCorvey was a rural Texas girl that had been sexually abused by a relative as a teenager, and married young to get away from that situation but soon was divorced and pregnant at 20. Friends advised her that she could get an abortion at that time if claimed she was raped. So she did. But for lack of a police report confirming that, she was denied an abortion under Texas law which then granted abortion only for cases of rape and incest.

Meanwhile a feminist activist attorney was combing Dallas court records for a girl that fit McCorvey’s profile to use for what became the Roe v Wade strategy for legalizing gratuitous abortions in the United States. The lawyer was Sarah Weddington and the rest is history.

After the circus McCorvey fell into depression, she wrote in her ’94 book of being drunk and suicidal when she was caught shoplifitng by the manager of a convenience store who turned out to be a lesbian that took McCorvey in. McCorvey ‘came out’ as a lesbian in 1989, and I Am Roe was published and promoted in ’94 to spin her as a sort of lesbian Ulysses. She was still being used by hidden hands of the feminist agenda.

But things took another direction on the book signing tour. A former tavern owner, converted Methodist minister and pro-life activist befriended her at a book signing and showed her an ultrasound of a 10 week old baby in the womb. Within a year Norma converted from lesbian paganism to Christianity in 1995. In 1998 she became confirmed in the Catholic Church.
In her book. Won By Love, She wrote,

I was sitting in O.R.’s offices when I noticed a fetal development poster. The progression was so obvious, the eyes were so sweet. It hurt my heart, just looking at them. I ran outside and finally, it dawned on me. ‘Norma,’ I said to myself, ‘They’re right.’ I had worked with pregnant women for years. I had been through three pregnancies and deliveries myself. I should have known. Yet something in that poster made me lose my breath. I kept seeing the picture of that tiny, 10-week-old embryo and I said to myself, that’s a baby! It’s as if blinders just fell off my eyes and I suddenly understood the truth–that’s a baby!

I felt crushed under the truth of this realization. I had to face up to the awful reality. Abortion wasn’t about ‘products of conception.’ It wasn’t about ‘missed periods.’ It was about children being killed in their mother’s wombs. All those years I was wrong. Signing that affadavit, I was wrong. Working in an abortion clinic, I was wrong. No more of this first trimester, second trimester, third trimester stuff. Abortion-at any point-was wrong. It was so clear. Painfully clear

McCorvey was present with pro-life demonstrators at Obama’s controversial speech at Catholic University Notre Dame in May 2009. In fact she’s been hounding Obama and his minions at public events this year but the MSM hasn’t reported it.

Norma McCorvey was arrested at Sotomayor’s hearing July13 after she began screaming that Sotomayor was wrong about abortion.

Related: The Homosexuals Will Arise

Skousen: Sodom in Afghanistan

By Jeff Fenske

On November 20, 2009

In Ethics, Joel Skousen, The Soul of America, War

World Affairs Brief, November 20, 2009 Commentary and Insights on a Troubled World. Copyright Joel Skousen. Partial quotations with attribution permitted. Cite source as Joel Skousen’s World Affairs Brief.

SODOM IN AFGHANISTAN

Patrick Cockburn, a British correspondent for the UK Independent has unearthed another ugly bombshell implicating the British government covering up for Afghan soldiers who sexually abuse and sodomize detainees in Afghanistan. “One reason Afghan villagers prefer to deal with the Taliban rather than the government security forces is that the latter have a habit of seizing their sons at checkpoints and sodomizing them… But the fact that male rape is common practice in the Afghan armed forces has, unfortunately, a great deal to do with the fate of British soldiers.

“There was a horrified reaction across Britain last week when a 25- year-old policeman called Gulbuddin working in a police station in the Nad Ali district of Helmand killed five British soldiers when he opened fire with a machine gun on them. But the reason he did so, according to Christina Lamb in The Sunday Times, citing two Afghans who knew Gulbuddin, was that he had been brutally beaten, sodomized and sexually molested by a senior Afghan officer.” In fact, British officers witnessed it and failed to stop it.

In other news of the war, it appears the US is using the same bribery tactics in Afghanistan that they used in Iraq, enhancing our able to claim victory when there is none. The Nation Magazine’s investigative correspondent Aram Roston, reports that US military contractors charged with assisting US forces in Afghanistan are actually funding the groups killing American soldiers. Roston describes a protection racket similar to that of the mafia, in which contractors pay the Taliban ‘protection money’ not to attack them.

“In this grotesque carnival, the US military’s contractors are forced to pay suspected insurgents to protect American supply routes… It is an accepted fact of the military logistics operation in Afghanistan that the US government funds the very forces American troops are fighting. And it is a deadly irony, because these funds add up to a huge amount of money for the Taliban… US officials estimate that as much as ten percent of taxpayer money doled out to private contractors ends up in insurgents’ hands. By a quick accounting, this amounts to tens of millions of dollars.” US officials do this through contractors to hide the spending from taxpayers.

Dr. Scott Johnson: Pharmakeia — Sorcery, Pharmaceuticals & the Roots of Modern Day Drug Industry. “You cannot drug your body into good health.” “Drugs are not going to take the demons away.” “They’ve swept the symptoms under the rug for so long that now they’re a surgical candidate.”

By Jeff Fenske

On November 14, 2009

In America's Getting Jacked!, ANTIDEPRESSANTS, BIG Pharma, Ethics, Real History

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske

“[Drugs are] not going to take the demons away. You’re trying to do something that only Jesus Christ can do. … You cannot drug your body into good health. It’s impossible. … You’re dealing with demonic problems, and you’re doing it through mind altering drugs, or pharmakeia. How does that make sense from a Biblical standpoint?”

“Do you know how many people in the churches are on these type of drugs, and they think nothing of it? And their pastor says nothing about it?”

“The spirit of drug induced control is rebellion against God’s plan.””60% of the population is taking at least one pharmaceutical drug every day … and it’s all by design.”

“It’s built on the backs of people who are sick, diseased and dying. It’s not about getting them better. It’s about getting them addicted to these medicines and controlling them.

Heart disease example of the fallacy of medicine:
“They’ve swept the symptoms under the rug for so long that now they’re a surgical candidate.”

“Lecithin helps to clean out the arteries. It helps to defat the liver and the fat or the plaquing of the arteries.”

“The medical solution is to put them on meds until they have the heart attack. Sweep the symptoms under the rug, and then we’ll do the surgery. We’ll make thousands and thousands of dollars. And we’ll look like we’re really smart because we’re surgeons. And we can go in there and put a stint in. … You haven’t done anything to fix the problem. You’ve got hundreds of miles of blood vessels in your body, and they’re plaqued up too.”

“These elderly people that are on 15-20 meds, laying there in vegetative states in retirement homes, or wherever they’re being taken care of, they see things, they hear voices. It’s no wonder.”

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[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7CdHmK-tOY]* Pharmakeia Part 1 By Dr. Scott Johnson

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN0J70iUct4]Pharmekeia part 2 by Dr. Scott Johnson

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* I transcribed the above quotes from these two videos, which are no longer available. I’m assuming the above videos are the same as these, but I haven’t listened to them to make sure.

From: youtube.com/watch?v=c7CdHmK-tOY

Dr. Scott Johnson – Pharmaceuticals As Pharmakeia/Sorcery –
Roots of Modern Day Drug Industry 1/26

*PDF FILE HERE – http://playpdf.sa-media.com/media/928…
Scott’s Homepage – http://www.sermonaudio.com/drscottjoh…
Scott’s Forum – http://www.endtimescurrentevents.free…

21st September 2008

Pharmakeia: Sorcery, Pharmaceuticals & the Roots of Modern Day Drug Industry.

Pharmakeia is a form of the Greek root word from which we get our English words: Pharmacy, Pharmacist, and Pharmaceutical. In the Bible, pharmakeia carried with it the idea of sorcery, occultism, and black magic. It is in this sense that Paul used the term in Galatians 5.20 as the word ‘witchcraft’. In Rev. 9:21 & 18:23 it is translated ‘sorceries’.

Do you find it rather disturbing that approximately 60% of the population is taking at least one pharmaceutical drug every day? Some are taking up to fifteen and twenty! We are told that we are living during a time of the greatest medical breakthroughs in the history of the world yet, over one hundred million Americans suffer from various health problems. Why has such a large majority of the world become dependent on pharmaceutical drugs?

Perhaps you’re one of the hundreds of millions around the world that’s ingesting a daily dose of pharmaceutical medicine? Is it possible that the pharmaceutical/medical cartel has ‘disease treatment’ and not ‘disease cure’ in mind?

The most powerful German economic corporate emporium in the first half of this century was known as IG Farben, and was nothing more than a powerful cartel of BASF, Bayer, Hoechst, and other German chemical and pharmaceutical companies. IG Farben was the single largest donor to the election campaign of Adolph Hitler & the beginning of the modern day pharmaceutical industry. Zyklon-B, an extermination gas produced by Hoechst, was used to kill millions of innocent people in death camps. The U.S. government’s investigation (of all the factors leading to WW2 in 1946) came to the conclusion that without IG Farben the Second World War would of not been possible.

MEDICALLY CAUSED DEATH IN AMERICA: “Medical coverage for all” is a banner that conceals ugly facts — 225,000 medically-caused deaths in the US every year

[ video ] Psychiatry: An Industry of Death (FULL VERSION) — The sick real-history and practice of this largely reverse-Christian ‘therapy’ that hides behind science with pseudo scientific lies, but is driven by the love of $$money$$ and something extremely sinister!

Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas): “Greed is Good”

By Jeff Fenske

On November 8, 2009

In "The love of money…", 'THEY' couldn't be that EVIL??, $Money$ ToBeFree, Ethics, Lying, The Soul of America

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7upG01-XWbY]

“I am not a destroyer of companies. I am a liberator of them!

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed — for lack of a better word — is good.

Greed is right.

Greed works.

Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Greed, in all of its forms — greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge — has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And greed — you mark my words — will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.

Thank you very much.”

— Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas as the villain in Wall Street, 1987)

Full Transcript of Gekko’s Speech

International banksters twist Jesus’ 2nd Greatest Commandment as if it’s no longer hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven

By Jeff Fenske

On November 8, 2009

In "The love of money…", 'THEY' couldn't be that EVIL??, $Money$ ToBeFree, Ethics, Lying

From: National Post

Bankers say Jesus would have approved of fat paycheques

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“Profit is not satanic,” Barclays chief executive John Varley said at the historic St. Martin-in-the- Fields church on London’s Trafalgar Square, one of several top executives to argue that Jesus would have approved of their pay packages.

Bloomberg reports:

The 53-year-old head of Britain’s second-biggest bank said banks are the “backbone” of the economy. Rewarding high- performing bankers with more pay doesn’t conflict with Christian values, he said. Varley was paid 1.08 million pounds ($1.77 million) and no bonus in 2008. …

True enough, maybe, but is the church the place to make the argument? Jesus wasn’t famous for his love of money-lenders. Wasn’t there something about chasing them out of the temple? …

Brian Griffiths of Goldman Sachs spoke at St. Paul’s Cathedral, Bloomberg reports, where he argued that “The injunction of Jesus to love others as ourselves is an endorsement of self-interest…We have to tolerate the inequality as a way to achieving greater prosperity and opportunity for all.”

Entire Article Here

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Since April, 114 Children Have Died from H1N1 — but 700,000 Have Died from Abortion

By Jeff Fenske

On November 3, 2009

In BIG Pharma, Ethics, Media Bias Exposed

From: CNS News

A CDC report released last Friday placed the death toll from H1N1 at 114 for persons aged 18 or younger. The week of Oct. 18-24 saw 19 laboratory-confirmed pediatric deaths from H1N1. Since August, 65 children have died from the virus and 12 have died from an unkown subtype of Influenza A. Since April 26, only 1 child has died from seasonal flu.

Meanwhile, in a 2008 Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR), the CDC said that in 2005, the most recent year for which abortion data is available, 820,151 legal abortions were reported from 49 reporting areas. (Scroll down to p.1 of report — link above — for information).

According to Guttmacher data, which are considered more up-to-date and more accurate than federal government statistics, 3,305 babies on average lose their lives to abortion daily. In 2005, the number of abortions totaled 1,206,200 children, (see p. 9, Table 1).

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Does the American Empire Deserve to Die?

By Jeff Fenske

On November 3, 2009

In Ethics, The End of America?

From: Strike the Root

I posed the question to various well-known and respected writers from the left, right and center: Does the American Empire deserve to die, and if NOT, why not? …

So the empire would then deserve to die, right?

“Short answer: Yes,” replied columnist Dave Lindorff. “If America cannot change and become a nation that promotes peace and harmony and defends and encourages real democracy, then it is more of an evil than a good and as an empire, especially, deserves to die. Nothing good can come of empire, which is fundamentally exploitative.”

Lindorff composes columns for Counterpunch.com such as “Depleted Uranium Weapons: Dead Babies in Iraq and Afghanistan Are No Joke.”

Some conservative media heavyweights might disagree.

“Doug — I think the USA should return to the limited government of our Founders — I laid out that case in America For Sale,” wrote conservative Jerome Corsi. His book titles, like The Late Great U.S.A and The Obama Nation, would seem to imply that America, as a nation or republic was doomed, mostly due to liberal policies rather than a concerted, behind-the-scenes, bipartisan effort.

Likewise longtime activist and 9-11 truth advocate Devvy Kidd politely replied to me: “Do I believe our constitutional republic should die? Of course not. Do I support the destructive foreign policies over the past five or six decades? Of course not. A return to true constitutional government under our Constitution will do just fine.”

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Excellent!! South Park On Hate Crimes: “All Crimes are Hate Crimes”

By Jeff Fenske

On October 26, 2009

In America's Getting Jacked!, Barack Obama, Ethics, Forgiving/Grudgless/No Hate, Freedom, Racism

South Park On Hate Crimes

Comedy Central’s South Park takes a look at the hypocrisy of Hate Crimes.

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MSNBC’s Chris Matthews tries to demonize Oath Keepers’ founder, Stewart Rhodes

By Jeff Fenske

On October 24, 2009

In Ethics, Freedom, Media Bias Exposed, Police State

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From: Oath Keepers

Quote of the Year: “We swear an oath to the Constitution, not to a man, even if he makes a thrill run up your leg when he talks.” Stewart Rhodes

Welcome to Oath Keepers

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

Our motto is “Not on our watch!”

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Music also used as torture at Guantanamo — 72 hours in a row at volumes just below that to shatter the eardrums — Bands outraged!

By Jeff Fenske

On October 22, 2009

In Ethics, George Bush Family, The Soul of America, Torture, War, Why we're getting jacked

From: Raw Story

Bands ‘rage against the machine’ for torture info

At least two rock stars whose songs have been reportedly used to torture Guantanamo Bay detainees are demanding the federal government release details of the use of music by the U.S. government during interrogations of prisoners.

The National Campaign to Close Guantanamo is working with musicians in their latest effort to drum up public support for Congress to close U.S. detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay. Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails and Tom Morello of Rage Against the Machine are both putting their names to Freedom of Information Act requests to be submitted Thursday that demand the government come clean about how music was used to potentially torture suspected terrorists. The music of both Reznor’s and Morello’s bands have been linked to alleged detainee torture in the past, and both musicians are now hoping their effort to declassify the information will push Congress to close U.S. detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay.

“Guantanamo is known around the world as one of the places where human beings have been tortured — from water boarding, to stripping, hooding and forcing detainees into humiliating sexual acts — playing music for 72 hours in a row at volumes just below that to shatter the eardrums,” said Morello. “Guantanamo may be Dick Cheney’s idea of America, but it’s not mine. The fact that music I helped create was used in crimes against humanity sickens me….

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Obama Steps Up Remote-Control Bombings Despite Civilian Deaths

By Jeff Fenske

On October 20, 2009

In Barack Obama, Ethics, War

From: National Expositor

Obama Steps Up Drone Bombings Despite Civilian Deaths

“Even if a precise account is elusive,” writes Jane Mayer in the October 26th The New Yorker, “the outlines are clear: the C.I.A. has joined the Pakistani intelligence service in an aggressive campaign to eradicate local and foreign militants, who have taken refuge in some of the most inaccessible parts of the country.”

Based on a study just completed by the non-profit, New America Foundation of Washington, D.C., “the number of drone strikes has risen dramatically since Obama became President,” Mayer reports.

In fact, the first two strikes took place on Jan. 23, the President’s third day in office and the second of these hit the wrong house, that of a pro-government tribal leader that killed his entire family, including three children, one just five years of age.

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A MOMENT OF YOUR TIME

By Jeff Fenske

On October 14, 2009

In Ethics, George Bush Family, Lying, War

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Ron Paul: Instead of Bombs and Bribes, Let’s Try Empathy and Trade

By Jeff Fenske

On October 9, 2009

In Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran, Ethics, Ron Paul, War, Why they hate US

“Sadly, one thing that has entirely escaped modern American foreign policy is empathy.

Without much humility or regard for human life, our foreign policy has been reduced to alternately bribing and bombing other nations, all with the stated goal of “promoting democracy.” But if a country democratically elects a leader who is not sufficiently pro-American, our government will refuse to recognize them, will impose sanctions on them, and will possibly even support covert efforts to remove them. Democracy is obviously not what we are interested in. It is more likely that our government is interested in imposing its will on other governments. This policy of endless intervention in the affairs of others is very damaging to American liberty and security.”

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Transcript from: antiwar.com

What if tomorrow morning you woke up to headlines that yet another Chinese drone bombing on U.S. soil killed several dozen ranchers in a rural community while they were sleeping? That a drone aircraft had come across the Canadian border in the middle of the night and carried out the latest of many attacks? What if it was claimed that many of the victims harbored anti-Chinese sentiments, but most of the dead were innocent women and children? And what if the Chinese administration, in an effort to improve its public image in the U.S., had approved an aid package to send funds to help with American roads and schools and promote Chinese values here?

Most Americans would not stand for it. Yet the above hypothetical events are similar to what our government is doing in Pakistan. Last week, Congress did approve an aid package for Pakistan for the stated purposes of improving our image and promoting democracy. I again made the point on the floor of the House that still no one seems to hear: What if this happened on U.S. soil? What if innocent Americans were being killed in repeated drone attacks carried out by some foreign force who was trying to fix our problems for us? Would sending money help their image? If another nation committed this type of violence and destruction on our homeland, would we be at all interested in adopting their values?

Sadly, one thing that has entirely escaped modern American foreign policy is empathy. Without much humility or regard for human life, our foreign policy has been reduced to alternately bribing and bombing other nations, all with the stated goal of “promoting democracy.” But if a country democratically elects a leader who is not sufficiently pro-American, our government will refuse to recognize them, will impose sanctions on them, and will possibly even support covert efforts to remove them. Democracy is obviously not what we are interested in. It is more likely that our government is interested in imposing its will on other governments. This policy of endless intervention in the affairs of others is very damaging to American liberty and security.

If we were really interested in democracy, peace, prosperity, and safety, we would pursue more free trade with other countries. Free and abundant trade is much more conducive to peace because it is generally bad business to kill your customers. When one’s livelihood is on the line, and the business agreements are mutually beneficial, it is in everyone’s best interests to maintain cooperative and friendly relations and not kill each other. But instead, to force other countries to bend to our will, we impose trade barriers and sanctions. If our government really wanted to promote freedom, Americans would be free to travel and trade with whoever they wished. And if we would simply look at our own policies around the world through the eyes of others, we would understand how these actions make us more targeted and therefore less safe from terrorism. The only answer is get back to free trade with all and entangling alliances with none. It is our bombs and sanctions and condescending aid packages that isolate us.

Newsweek: The Truth About Lying

By Jeff Fenske

On August 28, 2009

In Ethics, Lying, The Soul of America

Liars get what they want. They avoid punishment, and they win others’ affection [but do they really? – editor]. Liars make themselves sound smart and savvy, they attain power over those of us who believe them, and they often use their lies to rise up in the professional world. Many liars have fun doing it. And many more take pride in getting away with it.

From: Newsweek

Time and time again, public-opinion polls show that honesty is among the top five characteristics we want in a leader, friend, or lover…. At the same time, deception is all around us. We are lied to by government officials and public figures to a disturbing degree; many of our social relationships are based on little white lies we tell each other. We deceive our children, only to be deceived by them in return. And the average person, says psychologist Robert Feldman, the author of a new book on lying, tells at least three lies in the first 10 minutes of a conversation. “There’s always been a lot of lying,” says Feldman, whose new book, The Liar in Your Life, came out this month. “But I do think we’re seeing a kind of cultural shift where we’re lying more, it’s easier to lie, and in some ways it’s almost more acceptable.”…

And the more lies we tell, even if they’re little white lies, the more deceptive we and society become. We are a culture of liars, to put it bluntly, with deceit so deeply ingrained in our psyches that we hardly even notice we’re engaging in it..…

The Josephson Institute, a nonprofit focused on youth ethics, concluded in a 2008 survey of nearly 30,000 high school students that “cheating in school continues to be rampant, and it’s getting worse.” In that survey, 64 percent of students said they’d cheated on a test during the past year.…

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The eternal consequences about lying and the way out at ONEcanhappen:

Who-Goes-To-Heaven Scriptures — Narrow is the Way

Asbury Revival, 1970: “Dr. Kinlaw, I am a liar. Now what do I do?”

Alan Keyes Psychoanalyzes the Global Elite and President Obama’s Mind-set: Inherent Superiority & Self-Worship

By Jeff Fenske

On August 16, 2009

In Barack Obama, Ethics, Globalism—One-World Gov't, Lying

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from: Alan Keyes on the Alex Jones Show, 8/14/09

“The sad thing is underlying it all, there is an element of what I call self-worship involved in this—that is involved in the fascination these elites have for themselves and their own power and the confirmation they see when they enjoy a little success, that somehow they’re better than everybody else.

That even, by the way, accounts for their so-called compassion, because it affirms their superiority to see themselves from a height, helping the downtrodden, who because of their inferiority couldn’t do as well.”

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Dr. Lorraine Day on Vaccines: “Doctors are the stupid dupes who willingly do the dirty work for the illuminati who are all involved at the top of the pharmaceutical companies”

By Jeff Fenske

On August 12, 2009

In America's Getting Jacked!, BIG Pharma, Ethics, Globalism—One-World Gov't, Health

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Lorraine Day provides updates on the flu vaccine and the way to stay healthy in an interview with Regina Meredith. For the full interview, go to www.consciousmedianetwork.com

Real History: Hiroshima Didn’t Have to Happen. Japan was Ready to Surrender. We Slaughtered Them and Should Repent!

By Jeff Fenske

On August 9, 2009

In 'THEY' couldn't be that EVIL??, Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Iran, Ethics, Germany, Lying, Real History, The Soul of America, War

From the August 18, 2001 issue of the Arizona Daily Star, here.

Fifty-six years ago this month, we became the first and only nation to use nuclear weapons in warfare. The world was told that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified in order to bring a swift end to the war without a costly and bloody invasion of Japan’s home islands.

This, to put it charitably, was a lie. No less an authority than General Dwight Eisenhower has stated unequivocally: “It wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.” …

President Truman’s top military advisors were virtually unanimous in their belief that the atomic bombs were not needed to end the war without an invasion: Generals MacArthur, Clarke, Bonesteel and Marshall of the Army; Admirals Leahy, Nimitz, Halsey, Wagner and Radford of the Navy; and Generals Arnold, Eaker, LeMay, Spaatz and Chennault of the Air Force. (Comments from each of these men can be found at www.doug-long.com, in an extended discussion of Gar Alperovitz’ book The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb, the most extensive examination of the new evidence in this case.)

The military leaders knew, as most civilians and soldiers did not, that Japan’s military situation was completely hopeless. We controlled both her seas and her skies with impunity. The war would be over long before an invasion could be mounted. Eisenhower also knew what some of his fellow generals did not: that for over a year we had been intercepting Japanese diplomatic cables seeking surrender.

Dozens of such messages have now been declassified. This cable traffic became more frequent and more desperate in the final weeks of the war. By then it was clear that the Japanese Emperor and even elements of her military were committed to surrender. And there is now no doubt that President Truman knew this when he made the decision to use nuclear weapons. We have a diary entry in his own handwriting concerning the “cable from Jap Emperor asking for peace.”

There was only one condition. Japan was asking for the same terms on which the war was later settled: that she be allowed to retain her Emperor. Truman’s political advisors told him that even a hint that we would agree to this, even a private assurance, would be likely to bring the war to an end. But Truman not only refused to offer such assurances, he explicitly removed them from the statement issued at the Potsdam summit in July, knowing full well that this would prolong the war.

He waited long months until the atomic bomb was available, without pursuing other avenues to peace. Far from saving lives, the nuclear option caused more soldiers to die in a war that was essentially over.

Why did Harry Truman do this? The available evidence in the historical record indicates that Truman and his closest advisor, Secretary of State James Byrnes, felt that nuclear weapons would give America unchallenged military power. They were looking ahead to the Cold War; they believed that demonstrating our willingness to use such weapons would make the Russians “more manageable” ….

…rather than expressing a triumphalist joy for the lives saved in an invasion that never would have occurred; we should unflinchingly recall this anniversary with humility and sorrow.

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Dr. Stanley Monteith On President Trumans’ Globalist Agenda: Bombing Japan When They Were Trying To Surrender, Turning China Over to the Communists & How Our Media Was Taken Over 100 Years Ago

The REAL Reason America Used Nuclear Weapons Against Japan (It Was Not To End the War Or Save Lives)

All of my Dr. Stanley Monteith posts at ToBeFree

“No Hate,” Himself (John Wooden) Recognized as the Greatest Coach! Why?

By Jeff Fenske

On August 1, 2009

In Ethics, Forgiving/Grudgless/No Hate, Fun–or–AMAZING Stuff!, LEADERSHIP, People, Personal, Unite – Come Together, Wishing Each Other Well!

Better late than never….

A little over a year ago, I finally (not being a basketball fan) discovered John Wooden. I happened to see Bill Walton on Charlie Jones Live to Tape* — and the way Bill talked about Coach Wooden — WoW!! This started me on my search.

Here is leadership the way it is supposed to be, hate-free, which sadly, I haven’t seen demonstrated very much in most of the leaders whom I have known personally. Why is Godly leadership so rare in America? I recently wrote this article at ONEcanhappen, thinking hate is a huge reason why. Hate destroys leaders’ ability and right to lead: The Boot-Camp Factor: The Hate & Anger Factory Where Men are Programmed to Kill and Then Become Our Dads?!! Our Pastors?!!! Let’s Get Free to Bring in the True Kingdom!!!!!!!

Finally, I found the gold standard — a man who not only did it, but skillfully explains how to do it (he started out as an English teacher).

I watched everything I could find (on TV, DVD and online), and then I sat down and carefully read his book, Wooden on Leadership, cover to cover, small pieces at a time, actually underlining and marking about 1/3 of it. I highly recommend this book!

I’m amazed at this man: his heart; his genuine love for others, wishing them all (black or white) to succeed in life (not just in the game); being firm when he knows he’s right, but always open to hearing about or seeing a better way to do it; his thorough research, being willing to try new things; etc..

What a man. No wonder why his players still love him so! He was way more power-under than power-over. And he was so careful, thinking out every aspect which he painstakingly implemented.

But John Wooden wasn’t born “no hate.” He gives a few examples in chapter 7 in Wooden on Leadership. Early in his career, he said he made a decision about a player that still bothers him to this day, because he reacted out of emotion instead of doing the right thing. And on one occasion, he actually punched out the opposing coach in response to the false accusations and string of expletives that coach was spewing at him. But coach Wooden learned from his mistakes. He not only learned to control himself externally, but also internally — not even thinking hateful thoughts.

Coach John Wooden is an example to us all! He deserves this award. What a heart of gold!

“Success is peace of mind, a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing that you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming, and not just in a physical way: seek ye first the kingdom and His righteousness and all these things will be yours as well.”

– John Wooden (source)

John Wooden is clearly a Christian.

Jeff Fenske : )

* sadly I just learned that Charlie Jones has passed away. I also very much enjoyed Charlie’s interviews with ‘the gold standard,’ himself and also Ken Blanchard.

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From: AP, UCLA’s Wooden honored as sports’ greatest coach

John Wooden’s friends, family and former players all say they didn’t need an award from a national magazine to confirm the identity of the greatest coach in American sports history.

Yet the Sporting News made it official Wednesday, recognizing the 98-year-old Wooden as the pinnacle of a profession that was redefined by the UCLA coach over his unmatched career in Westwood.

During a luncheon in the John Wooden Room at one of his favorite restaurants in Sherman Oaks, the coach saw the real reward for a life spent teaching, mentoring and improving lives: A room packed to overflowing with the recipients of those lessons, from his daughter, Nan, to current UCLA coach Ben Howland, to former Bruins center Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. …

“He was the greatest teacher ever. His integrity, the way he lives his life, is a model for all of us.” …

“The most important thing in the world is family and love,” Wooden said. “Love is the most important thing in the world. Hate, we should remove from the dictionary. … They say you never use love in your Pyramid (of Success). I just say I never thought of it.”

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It may not contain the word, ‘love,’
but certainly contains the concept!

My Favorite John Wooden Quotes

John Wooden – An Intergalactic Treasure! “Be quick, but don’t hurry” — “Failure to prepare is preparing to fail” — “Happiness begins when selfishness ends” …

Coach John Wooden (at age-90) redefines ‘success’ AND John Wooden on ‘change’ we can believe in

John Wooden at age-95: “Why I feel blessed” | His dad’s wisdom: “You’re never better than anybody else”

John Wooden: A man who would NOT curse people — “Goodness Gracious Sakes Alive!”

Gerald Celente on “people ripping off people at every level”: “We cannot move forward as a nation and succeed unless we bring our morality to the level it should be at”

By Jeff Fenske

On July 22, 2009

In Ethics, FreedomQuotes, Gerald Celente, Lying, Revival, The Soul of America, War

Transcribed by Jeff Fenske from Coast to Coast AM, 7/14/09

Gerald Celente (Trends Research Institute):

“The other issue that is overriding…: people ripping off people at every level.

The nation has lost its morality. And speaking for myself and my moral code, we are fighting a war in Iraq that has been proven to be fought over false—whether or not they knew it is another issue that should be found out, in my belief. But there were no weapons of mass destruction; there were no ties to Al-Qaeda.

And in my belief, in living in this type of morality at so many different levels, from Wall Street to Washington to main street to the people that are ripping off the system, we cannot move forward as a nation and succeed unless we bring our morality to the level it should be at.”

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Populations We Don’t Want To Have Too Many Of!

By Jeff Fenske

On July 17, 2009

In Ethics

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Reverse Christianity: Chuck Colson Supports Torture!

By Jeff Fenske

On July 9, 2009

In Ethics, False Christians Trashing America, Torture

From: CNN, Torture prompts soul-searching among some Christians

A survey conducted by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that white evangelical Christians are more likely to support torture than people who rarely or never attend religious services.

The survey said that 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants say that the use of torture against suspected terrorists can be often or sometimes justified in order to gain important information. …

Chuck Colson, the evangelical pastor who once served as an aide to President Nixon, answered the same question in an online discussion conducted by the Washington Post “On Faith” Web site.

Colson said that Christians are supposed to obey the law, but there may be times when there is a higher obligation [WWJD? Who Would Jesus Torture? Shouldn’t this rather be refusing to torture if the government commands it – editor], such as ignoring a “no trespassing” sign to rescue a drowning man.

“So it is with torture,” Colson wrote. “If a competent authority honestly believes [but what are the real facts? Peter said: “We must obey God rather than man.” “Those who are led by the Spirit are the children of God” – editor] that this was the only way to get information that might save the lives of thousands, I believe he would be justified.”

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